tv The Last Word MSNBC November 7, 2012 10:00pm-11:00pm EST
have spent $100 million to get no one elected this year. the coke brothers, and while dropping that cash may very made them feel important, the math said it was not money well spent. outside groups spent more than a billion on the election, many of those groups do not seem to have gotten much for that money. i wonder if they would do with it if they could get it back. now it's time for "the last word" with laerns o'donnell. have a great night. come on. you know what i'm going to say. you do. you know i've been dying to say this for a year. ann colter was right. >> well, i'll put it in a nutshell, if we don't run chris christie, romney will be the nominee and he'll lose. >> the president dramatically
down. >> you'll see a romney land slide. >> it's going to be a great day tomorrow. >> shellacking, repudation, melt down. >> i believe we can seize this future together. >> four more for 44. >> a decisive victory. >> 2008 was not a fluke. >> his emphatic victory tonight. >> it was over in about five minutes. >> we are not as divided as our politics suggest. >> i won't just be your senator, i will be your champion. >> what was the key to success last night? >> cold, hard demographics. >> making barack obama. >> should be to deny president obama a second term. >> a one-term president. >> we are not as divided as our politics suggest. >> if we don't run chris christie, romney will be the
nominee and he will lose. >> yes, ann colter was right. she was wrong about what would have happened if the republicans had nominated chris christie, president obama would have beaten him, too. and now even aven colter knows that. >> he's likable but obama is likable. he's an incumbent, it's going to be very hard to take him out, we're going to need some star power, street fighter like chris christie. i think i was wrong about that. >> just before 7:00 p.m. tonight the boims returned to the white house which they will call home until january 2017. it will be a half empty nest by then, malia will be a freshman
in college. tod we learned new details of the president's campaign details. the "wall street journal" reveals, the manager of president obama's election campaign. the campaign he said wanted to spend heavily starting immediately on ads blasting away at mitt romney to shape voters' impressions before mr. romney had the money to do it for himself. if it doesn't work, we're not going to have enough money to go have a second theory in the fall. mr. messina, according to people in the meeting. the president gave his approval. the risky obama campaign strategy worried ann romney. the "washington post" writes today, ann would come to me and said eric, what are we going to do about this?
said eric fehrnstrom. another romney adviser said the group think today is if we were to go back and change one thing, we would spend more money and more strongly defend mitt, push back on the rich guy, the tax rate issue, the bain capital issue. of course, pushing back against the image of mitt romney is a rich guy who paid an extraordinarily low income tax rate and was a bain capital profiteer and based on layoffs and outsourcing would be pushing back against the truth. bill o'reilly said the win went to the smartest team. >> if mitt romney had a guy as smart as david axelrod, the governor would be celebrating tonight. >> as of this hour, president obama has won 303 electoral college votes, and mitt romney
has wovn 206. the only state has yet to call is florida. where president obama leads. he has won the popular vote. the 113th congress will be composed of a democratic majority in the senate with 53 democrats, a two seat increase, as well as 45 republicans and two independents. at least one of which will caucus with the democrats. in the house of representatives, returns will retain the majority. nbc news projects that once the votes are counted, republicans will hold 236 and democratics will hold 199 steets. nate silver, as reported here
every night, correctly predicted the electoral outcome in all 50 states and the district of columbia, assuming florida tips towards president obama as it now appears it will. last night voters made history on the issue of same sex marriage, a marriage equalifity referendum has passed in maine and maryland and is on track to pass in washington state. those states become the first to approve same sex marriage through a ballot measure in our nation's history. and in minnesota voters rejected a state constitutional amendment limiting marriage to between one man and one women, though same sex marriage is still illegal in that state. krystal ball, there are so many things to catch up on what happened last night. but let's start with mitt romney. republicans said when they were running against him, he's the worst possible candidate they
could nominate. >> right. >> it's hard to say. the trouble is the guys who were saying that were much worse candidates. when newt gingrich says you're the worst candidate, that's not true. >> right. >> but my feeling from the start was the republicans did not have someone who could beat president obama. >> i think that's true, out of that group, rick perry, herman ca cain, plaintiff was the best candidate. i think that is correct. but there's a danger to them looking too much to the personality of mitt romney saying he was not the right guy, he didn't do a good job. in fact his own party doomed him. the positions he had to take in the primary on immigration, on women's issues, on not accepting a 10-1 spending cut to tax increase deal, those things set him up for defeat and he was never able to overcome the sense that he is part of this party
that has done everything they possibly can to keep the president from succeeding. >> ari melber, today's "new york post" column. barack obama is one of the greatest politicians of all time. >> it's sort of the mirror image of the point krystal is making. which is to focus on the personality of mitt romney and then to try and say that this victory is limited to the political genius of david axelrod as you showed bill o'reilly saying, or that barack obama is a good politician, which he is, but i think there's something more fundamental that happened yet yesterday. i think we came out of a period of american history where government was seriously discredited often for good reason for failures on foreign policy, regulating the financial markets and we had a president who came in and often in unpopular ways at first, basically said government has an
important role to play in all of these markets, the insurance market, the car market, small business, tax reform and he went and did that when it was unpopular. and by the end of the race, we had a substantive debate about it. and what we see here i think is an endorsement of an obamaism. of an approach here that embracembrace s government to do things for people. >> all the political math we know says the president can't be re-elected with unemployment up near 8%. it cannot happen. it staes an extraordinary campaign to be able to do that. >> i think that is true. on the other hand it is very hard to unseat incumbent presidents. about 70% of incumbent presidents are re-elected. ronald reagan was re-elected in
a land slide suggesting there was some room for unemployment to be higher. the president did run a fantastic campaign. they understand america as it exists today. republicans tried to convince themselves that it was the america they knew in the past and they delewded themselves. and now you're seeing the results today. here's where we got it wrong and we've got to rethink. definitely kudos to david axelrod, gym messina. but i think the economy was getting better and people ultimately said i want to give this guy another four years to finish the job. >> here's one thing that i don't think was a factor in the last week. the hurricane on the east coast. if there was a factor in the last week, i believe it was mitt romney going into ohio, lying to ohio about something ohio voters know the truth about on this
sending jeep jobs to china and to lie straight to the voters who know it's not true, who are related to the workers, whose jobs were not going to china was a deadly move by romney. >> we know that three out of four ohio voters thought the economy was doing very poorly. they were not that excited about what's going on because it's tough out there. but when it comes to policy, six out of ten supported the bailout of the auto industry and to your point they knew on the ground, they knew in their bones what was going on and they knew that mitt romney was lying to them. so that goes to i think another really exciting thing here. money matters and in down ballot races it can destroy you. but in the presidential race, what we're seeing is there's a limit to how much cash and lies can bury the truth, just because an advertisement says up or down doesn't mean people are going to be snookerred that way. >> mvp of the campaign, candidates not included. david axelrod, gymjim messina o
whoever taped that 47 video. >> i think it goes to the video. >> i do too. >> the gaffe is when you accidentally say the truth. >> thank you for joining me tonight. >> thanks, lawrence. >> coming up, rush lam because admitted to his radio audience that he told them a big lie. tweet your guesses about what rush admits he was lying about. and the answer will be in tonight's rewrite. and cecile richards joins me with the record wins for women last night and jonathan cape hard and ana marie cox are here. i'm going to see if i can get them to go off the cliff. he
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get washington's focus on governing again using the oh, so scary imaginary of the fiscal cliff. >> there will be many who will say we should confront the first of these challenging by simply letting the top two tax rates expire and pushing the sequester off to some other date. >> there will be many who say that and they will be led by this woman last night. >> if we can't get a good deal, a balanced deal that calls on the wealthy to pay their fair share, then i will absolutely continue this debate into 2013. on january 1st, if we have not gotten a deal, grover norquist and his pledge are no longer relevant to this conversation. we will have a new fiscal and political reality. >> that was snar patty murray who is more than willing to go off the cliff on january 1st if
republicans continue to block an increase in the top income tax rates. she said that back in july and i'm sure many republicans who don't know her, didn't take her seriously then. but as the head of the democratic snoerl campaign committee this year, she just razed the number of rim senators to 20. when patty purry first won her seat in the senate in 1992, there were three woman senators. patty murray is one of the three power senators in the senate, if she's ready to go off the cliff, then she won't be going alone.
>> do you think of yourself more as a thelma or a louise? >> well i've got the red hair. it is a noble thing to go off a cliff some time, but maybe it's not the perfect imagery. it's one of those things, i feel like the thing we need to get across to people as lovely as it is to say going off the cliff or whatever, this is a principled stand to make. this is not going off the cliff, you know, wiely e. coyote, it's trying to get the republican party to do the right thing. >> i believe they voted for higher top income tax rates, the obama position. the other piece of this cliff is a big spending cut that's built in that was written in there by the congress and republicans in congress and they're now afraid of what they wrote.
>> they're afraid of being held accountable to anything. the people that lost are the people who we held accountable. held accountable for what they had to say and the bad decisions that they made. the guy that lost the election is the guy that lowered the taxes for the high income people. i don't know where their idea that the president isn't going somewhere with this. i'm curious to see how it comes out. and again i feel like i wish we could change the language on this so that it didn't seem like we were taking america with us. >> but it did give us the thelma and louise clip. jonathan capeheart, it's not exactly a cliff, it's kind of like a driveway. >> right. >> it happens over time. and so the theory that patty murray has and other democrats have is let's go off the cliff, as they say, and that will force republicans to come to the table to work on the tax piece of
this, which will include maintaining the current rates for people below the top brackets and let those top brackets stay up. it will therefore be described as a tax cut for everybody on the lower brackets and work out something else on the spending side because neither one of the parties actually wants to see these giant cuts in defense and a lot of the other cuts that happen across the board. >> remember, the sequester was supposed to be the hammer on congress, if memory serves, in case the super committee didn't do what it was supposed to do. and so since the super committee proved to be not so super, that's why everyone is freaked out about the sequester cuts that are about to happen. meanwhile, patty murray has been signaling, not signaling, saying flat out, that she wants to go over the fast kill cliff and she wants to take it to the republicans. and i think now that the president has won re-election and that he already has the experience of the debt ceiling fight from last year under his
belt, he knows how to fight this fight now. and so i think he's more than willing to also go over the cliff. one, he knows what the fight is. two, as you said, it's not exactly a cliff. it's more of a slope. and he and the nation actually have a few more weeks, maybe a couple more months before the cliff really hits. >> yeah. the president is in a stronger position in every way, including tactically. let's listen to what he said in july on the campaign trail, in terms of his veto power that he has in this situation. >> will you veto any legislation that extends all of the bush tax cuts even to what you call the wealthy? >> yes. and the reason is we can't afford it. it would not make sense for us to give folks like me or mr. romney or mr. buffett another trillion in tax cuts that we don't need. >> ana marie following the constitutional powers of the
presidency, the only interesting question to ask a question is what will you veto, and to put it in a yes or know form like that reporter wisely did. that is the only reason the legislators listen to the president. he says if you do that i'll veto it. >> that is the balance of power. that is the thing that balances power with the legislature. it seems like a small thing, but it's a huge hammer. and i was thinking this is a case of like you know what you said you're going to do this, we're all going to do this. what patty murray and the president are asking, all right, everyone, let's walk towards that cliff. they're willing to keep walking until republicans finally say fine, i think we'll do something about it. i hope they're not going to chicken out. it's impossible to think of a solution. i don't know what it is -- the thing also grover norquist won't be relevant anymore.
it's never been relevant. i just hope it will be the end of that pledge entirely. >> it may break it. >> thank you broet for joining me tonight. it turns out women did have a legitimate way to shut down that whole thing. an historic night for women candidates. and soul searching, if there are souls in the republican party, over how to fix their demographic disaster, if they can fix it. that's coming up. now, here's one that will make you feel alive. meet the five-passenger ford c-max hybrid. c-max says ha. c-max says wheeee. which is what you get, don't you see? cause c-max has lots more horsepower than prius v, a hybrid that c-max also bests in mpg. say hi to the all-new 47 combined mpg c-max hybrid.
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for the return party, you know what our new reality is? every month 50,000 hispanics turn 18 years old, every month. that's 600,000 hispanic youth every year. do you really think this party wants to spend the rest of the next 15, 20, 40, 50 years in the political desert? if they do, great. here's your moment. if they don't, you've got to get real with the new reality. >> nbc exit polls found the share of the white elect toert fell, while the latino electorate jumped. an overwhelming 71% went for obama compared to mitt romney's 27%. that is the lowest performance for republicans in eight years. john mccain got 31% four years ago, george w. bush got 40% in 2004. exit polls show latinos are
becoming a solid democratic voting black. in 2004, 42% of latino voters called themselves democrats and 31% returns. that moved to 51% democratic, to 21% republican. bill o'reilly had a warning for fox viewers last night. >> just a changing country. the demographics are changing, it's not a traditional america anymore. and there are 50% of the voting public who want stuff. they want things. and who is going to give them things? president obama. he knows it and he ran on it. and whereby 20 years ago, president obama would have been defeated by an establishment candidate like mitt romney. the whitish willment is now the
minority. >> unioning me now is joy reid. how bad are you feeling for the white establishment tonight? >> tragic. >> bill o'reilly and the white establishment are founding their powers fading. >> yeah, it's fading. i will concede to bill o'reilly absolutely the the minorities who are taking over the country want stuff. they want to not have voter id laws, they want the respect of being treated like americans even if they might have an ak sent. they want to not be labeled welfare queens. they want things. they want to vote. fancy that. the problem that the republican party has is that when they look at minorities, they either look at them as a threat that's taking over the country, that ascribe to the minority's power
that trust me, we don't have, or they look at them as an opportunity for tokenism. and this party that is supposedly against affirmative action, their way of outreach to latinos or african-american is find one so conservative that no others would vote for them and say look at this, vote for them. i mean, it doesn't work. >> mark, you've watched the republican party drift in this direction and take active steps in this direction and those primaries where mitt romney thought his job was to sound as tough as possible on any form of opening of immigration in any way on the southern border and there we saw another texas governor rick perry with a more expansive view of this than the rest of the people in his party than the texas governor who ran before him as president.
for republicans do you have to actually live on that border to get this? >> well, you shouldn't have to. but you're right. govern ors like rick perry and george w. bush being close to the border with a lot of hispanic population understood the policies and messages that are important to hispanics. and you know, i couldn't disagree more with what bill o'reilly said, exactly why the republicans have a problem. talk about it's not traditional america anymore, as if hispanics are not traditional. there's nothing more than traditional than immigration. and the notion that they want things, hispanics are great entrepreneurs. they're small business builders. they're great examples of the american dream. and that's exactly why republicans have a problem. one in five voters said the most important issue to them was the notion that the candidates cared about people like them. i suspect a lot of those voters
are hispanics and romney won that vote by 81-18. so when you have a candidate who's out there talking about self deportation who's attacking rick perry for providing in state tuition for children of immigrants, it's quite clear why we have a problem and demographics is destiny and republicans continue to claw their way to the problem unless we get this thing turned around. >> bill o'reilly thinks the solution is get rid of paul ryan. >> the republican party has to rethink strategy. in hind sight, marco rubio would have been the best choice to run with mitt romney. it's not a knock on paul ryan. he did very well. it's just that the gop needs to send a powerful signal to hispanic voters that the party respects them. >> he thinks it's about signals. he think it's about having a
spanish name on the ballot. you don't have to do anything on policy. >> and you don't have to do anything on tone. i think mark got to a really good point. you have this phenomenon happen in the conservative movement where their media culture has taken over their political culture. the left has a media culture too but it doesn't instruct the party how to behave. but people like bill o'reilly and rush limbaugh, they set the tone and the tea party enforces that within the political space. they expect and demand even marco rubio had to be against the dream act. he had to use term like illegals. you have to get up to the edge of top radio speak in order to fit in. just having somebody with an "o" at the end of their name is not going to fix the tone and it's the tone that's turning off latino voters. >> here's the deal. michigan mccontinental has to get mark co-rubio in the office
and john boehner and say look guys, i'm running for election in two years. i want marco rubio here to find us a way out of this on policy. find us a version of the dream act that we can live with, that the president can sign. it doesn't havetor a majority vote of republicans. we can vote with democrats in the senate on this and boehner can let house republicans slide over and let it get through his chamber and pretend to oppose it and all that so that they get this issue out of their way. mark, when you listen to that math that michael steel mentioned, i don't see how the republican party can pretend to have a chance nationally four years from now. >> it can't. with these kind of numbers. and i think actually one of the good results of republicans losing is they're going to have to examine the reality here. and they're going to have to cut a deal on immigration.
they need to because it's the right thing to do, but it's also politically will help. and i think it's going to take more than just rolling out somebody with a hispanic name, but there are a lot of people, including people like jeb bush who have a lot of good ideas about where the party needs to go on these issues, we need a quick consensus and republicans need to pull together, step forward with their own plan on immigration, be pro active on this. they can lead on this and come together with president obama and get a deal done in the first year. i think it would be terrific for the country and good for the republican party. >> i think the president would be ready to do that deal, too. >> i do too. >> thank you for joining me. >> thank you. >> come up, breaking news, rush limbaugh admits to a lie. rush's big confession of a big lie is in the rewrite. ♪
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prediction is desperately trying to rewrite himself after saying things like this the day before the election. >> my friends, i've been looking at all of the data that you have been looking at, i've been trying to separate feelings from thoughts. and come up with some sort of a, an educated prognostication. common sense tells me this election isn't going to be close, and shouldn't be. all of my thinking says romney big. all of my feeling, if you -- all of my feeling is where my concern is. but my thoughts, my intellectual analysisf this, factoring everything i see, plus the polling data, not even close. 300-plus electoral votes for romney. >> that was the dean of the limbaugh institute for advanced conservative studs on monday. here is dean limbaugh today. >> before the election, my
thoughts, when i would think about this, and i told you this on election day, there's no way obama wins this. but my feeling, i felt concerned. you can ask anybody, you can ask my brother. i had people telling me -- asking me monday and tuesday, please tell me we're going to win this big, please. and i didn't. >> what? you didn't? you didn't tell anybody on monday or tuesday romney's going to win big? romney big was monday. >> all of my thinking says romney big. not even close. 300-plus electoral votes for romney. >> so you said that on monday, romney big. and now you're saying i had people telling me, asking me monday and tuesday, please tell me we're going to win this big, please, and i didn't. rush, do you think we don't have recordings of this stuff? what were you thinking?
>> you can ask anybody -- you can ask my brother. i had people telling me, asking me, monday and tuesday, please tell me we're going to win this big. please. and i didn't. i never privately told anybody i thought we were going to win this big. >> oh, he never privately told anybody. that's how desperate rush limbaugh become today because rush can never be wrong. the rush mistake is that he's smarter than the poor people who listen to his show in the hope of learning something. think about how low you have to be on the low information voter scale to be moved to tune into rush limbaugh, to learn something. but millions of people do every day. and the day before the election, rush told them romney was going to win big. he was going to win 300-plus
electoral votes. and when romney lost the electoral college big, rush had to come up with an explanation for his low information listeners, he had to fand an explanation they would accept in order to keep that $50 million a year he keeps for playing tricks on low information voters. those people who listen to rush because they believe he's right. rush knows what's at stake for him if his audience starts to think rush is wrong. he let this slip yesterday afternoon. >> i could be proven tonight to be so wrong and so all wet that nobody should be listening to me. >> after trying to sleep off the obama victory last night, rush clearly decided, simply as a business proposition, that he couldn't just say he was wrong about romney winning big. because as rush said, if he is so wrong, quote, nobody should be listening to me.
so his choice was admit he was wrok or say something else. but what else? rush proved today that he fears being exposed as wrong more than anything else. so much more that he decided to tell his audience that he simply lied to them. that he was just -- that what he was telling his millions of listeners was different from what he was telling his brother and his friends. >> you can ask anybody -- you can ask my brother. i had people telling me -- asking me, monday and tuesday, please tell me we're going to win this, big. please. and i didn't. i never privately told anybody i thought we were going to win this big. >> so that's rush's defense to his audience. i was lying to you. and the thing about rush is, that's weirdly believable. rush is after all a liar day in and day out. it is usually easy to tell when
rush is lying to his audience. you know he doesn't believe half of the crazy, nutty stuff he says about the president. but he knows saying those things will make him rich thanks to the audience support thinks to millions of people who deeply deeply hate the president. so would rush lie to his audience and say he thought romney was going to win big when he didn't really think that? yes, he would. and would rush lie to his audience and say i privately never told my brother that romney would win big, even if he did tell his brother that romney would win big? yes. rush would tell that lie, too. and so, president obama's triumph has done the impossible. it has forced me to agree with rush limbaugh on one thing. rush is a liar. but rush's low information audience still doesn't know that. even though he just told them.
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>> women will never go back. we will re-elect president obama. >> democratic women candidates had a very good night last night. >> and despite the odds, you elected the first woman senator to the state of massachusetts. >> i'm well aware that i will be the first openly gay member -- vernlthsz senators elect elizabeth warren and tammy baldwin. in january they will join fellow
senate new comers. in january a record 20 women will serve in the united states senate and at least 78 in the house of representatives. new hampshire also made history last night after electing the nation's first all women delegation. they also elected a woman governor. in presidential politics, president obama once again won the woman's vote. not only did the majority of women vote for obama, they elected to vote out joe walsh who said women no longer die from pregnancy because of advances in science and technology. richard pourdock who said that pregnancy from rape was something that god intended to happen and of course todd akin.
cecile, no one worked horted out there for president obama in trying to remind voters what was at stake here. it seemed it also had a spill over effect in the senate races. >> it was a great night for women. a great night for women's health. frankly it was a great night for planned parenthood. the women and men were elected to the united states senate across the country because they took a position in support of women's health care. even the state of virginia which you didn't mention, one of the most hotly contested races in if the country where he was a strong supporter in women's health in comparison with george allen. across the board great night for women's health. >> i was working the senate when
patty murray arrived there as a senator. the year before she arrived there were only three women in the senate and to watch her run the campaign committee this year and end up at the end of it all with this record number of women has been just a marvelous thing to watch. >> it's fantastic. one of the biggest thing to hear today was hearing that hidy had won her race in north dakota. a race that shouldn't have been a contest. she really just worked hard, as a breast cancer survivor, someone who talked about women's health care issues. again really great victory there. there's going to be some wonderful women come to the united states senate. >> you watched your mother make a choice going from a schoolteacher to governor of texas. what is it like for women making this kind of decision to move into this field? >> well, i think, look. you've got to be ready to take a lot of hits and these races this
year were really tough. but the exciting thing to me when i look at patty and the other women in this senate and all the other women, each one of them bring such an incredible experience to the senate. every single woman we've hadded as made each one stronger. and you know, i think it's people think women candidates by and large get things done and our experience is they do. and particularly when it comes to issues for women's health and planned parenthood, it's so important to have alleys who understand women's health and that's certainly the perspective that women senators bring. it's going to be a great new class. >> i have to ask you when you watch you out there working the campaign stage, i think back about your mother. have you thought yourself about possibly running at some point? >> well, lawrence, the only problem is i come from the state of texas. so if you follow the politics of my home state, probably no